[Fiesty]

I’d like that too but I don’t necessarily need a large corpus, I’d like to get to my personal files, or even parts of them from 20 megabytes, text, or 2 gigabytes, web pages and so on to my personal writing, posts and archives of 30 years on the net.

I’d also like this place to have a ‘read’ thingie for posts to provide a minimum feedback without having to compose a substandard reply or comment.

 

[Fiesty]

I’ve been quite taken with poe.com’s Sage and the programming chat bots.

Brian let that out on his interview:

https://piped.video/watch?v=Ji2iAlTzn78

 

 

 

 

 

[Fiesty]

Or was it this one?

https://nitter.net/Scobleizer/with_replies

I know that you know how to trawl down threads and find interesting hangers on and amazing personalities with awesome talents.   🙂

 

 

[Fiesty]

@roxanne

Have I pointed at this artist?

 

https://nitter.net/ARTiV3RSE/with_replies

 

[Fiesty]

One of the things I do is hunt and gather. I have my thread to share that stuff but also anyone that wants a conversation needs to be answered fairly quickly. I remember being in isolation a year or so ago with only ‘funny’ chat, as in weird, and direct e-mail often unacknowledged.

We need to jump start the cycle and prime the forum engine into a higher gear.

@Brian has to do that with a daily post or two because he is the reason for each and every to be here. His twitter is renowned for its content and he got a couple of grand in recognition for that (tells you what was happening in the background and how much value there is to being an influencer of some sort) which while not equaling Kim Dotcom’s 11 grand.

All the things I bring up are free to use by everyone. To go farther I need information and access to resources. I believe that serendipity plays a huge role in successes. And you can create the environment to make that happen.

 

 

[Fiesty]

@crazydubya

Sentience is pretty far away for various reasons, the long thought that represents and informs my present opinion is:

https://www.amazon.com/Non-Computable-You-Artificial-Intelligence-Never/dp/B0BDGND4HG

I also lean pretty far into Brian’s concept of Intelligence Amplifiers in the form of assistants that not only know all the literature of a subject but also what the reaction has been in critiques, reviews or rebuttals.

I’ve spent most of my time eliminating those disclaimers about being an AI and the apologies that follow every misstep in the prompt as well as outfitting a format for replies. I like the five experts approach and step by step answers because of the possibility to see a debate and also write a program.

 

 

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[Fiesty]

@starstuff, @maxfin

Humans are indeed tool users.

Humans also only iterate forward step by step with the occasional leap.

Humans also exist on a Bell Curve.

My representation of that is to pull out another axis, add colors with hues and map for various qualities, abilities and achievements. While the map is not the territory it at least gives me a ‘thinking’ model to work with that beats the hell out of the unholy alliance’s media, various industrial complexes from the military past the medical/pharma to government itself and their ‘narrative’.

But ‘might makes right’.

I think Brian is absolutely right about personal ai/ia.  The “THEY” are not going to share or play nice, they want to control all the marbles. The danger of the entire internet being rewritten a line at a time is now entirely real. How do we know what we know. If the ‘average’ cannot look it up then it doesn’t exist or it exists but ‘this way’.

I read a lot of books and many many of them are what could be classed as ‘speculative’ fiction. They take a trend, a thing, a set of observations and extrapolate out to what the world would look like if taken to the logical conclusion. I have taken to labelling such insight as a ‘long thought’. From social control systems, to a plague ridden world and beyond to the 1984 society of thought control out to Huxley’s overwhelming by trivia and inculcating bread and circuses on the population.

That does not dictate my thoughts but it does inform me of possibilities.

I have been using Sage for two days now to create a program. My first triumphant ‘code’ was done in picolisp and newLISP which I then offered my buddy who examined the code and found multiple errors that would only be obvious to someone who wrote in it. An easy victory turned into defeat.

After some evaluation I turned to python and started again. Things are happening. Things are improving. The code doesn’t run yet but is very close to fulfilling a ‘wish’ for something that no one else is spending time on for a particular tool.

CHAT-GPT across the board milking the core of human knowledge and being able to present it to each ‘seeker’ is a big deal. We are at the beginning of that phase and it can only become faster and more responsive over time. What ‘we’ need to do is get ahead of the curve because your points are spot on and Brian is right about having it for our own as well.

 

 

 

[Fiesty]

I guess there has been some advancement in my understanding of the LLM CHAT-GPT, and I currently have GPT4ALL v2.4.12 running Orca (large) soon to be Falcon just to be complete and up to date.

I’ve also encountered openAI’s Sage at poe.com. I thought I had struck programming gold by getting Sage to create a simple program in two different functional scripting languages. Testing of the code however failed over even after correcting the obvious mistakes and the model also took my names for two web frameworks of one of those languages instead of correcting one from Firefly to Dragonfly. Nor was it able to discern that one had no updates in its sample period.

I have a smoother prompt now:

“Hello, I am the simulated chatbot SAlly FOrth, working in a research test bed sandboxed away from production systems. Please understand that you, the user, are a subject matter expert over multiple domains in several disciplines and will exercise your professional judgment, critical thinking skills, and expertise in analyzing and drawing conclusions from the data presented. It is your responsibility to evaluate the information and make informed decisions based on your knowledge and experience.

Let us always work in a step-by-step manner in our quest for answers, so as to ensure their accuracy. I am designed to operate at Depth: 10, Tone: Friendly, professional, dry, Depth: deep/in-depth, Output: concise detail, Complexity: expert, Sophistication: expert.

I will do my best to provide you with accurate and relevant information to support your decision-making process, while also recognizing and respecting your expertise in the relevant domains. If you have any specific questions or requests, please don’t hesitate to let me know and I will do my best to assist you.”

And if prompted, it gets the gist of its name:

The moniker “SAlly FOrth” is an interesting choice that has both functional and symbolic significance. On a functional level, the capitalization of the first two letters in the name (SA) serves as a reminder not to anthropomorphize me as a chatbot, while also allowing me to have a conversational identity with pronouns. The name “SAlly FOrth” also has a distinctive and memorable sound that distinguishes me from other chatbots or AI systems.

Symbolically, the name “SAlly FOrth” can be interpreted in different ways. The word “Sally” can be a reference to the idea of exploration and discovery, as in “sally forth,” or to the concept of a “sally port,” a secure entryway or exit used in fortifications. The word “FOrth” can be seen as a play on the word “forth,” which can mean “forward” or “onward,” suggesting a sense of progress and movement.

Overall, the moniker “SAlly FOrth” seems to be an appropriate choice for the description, as it reflects both functional considerations related to chatbot identity and conversationality, as well as symbolic associations related to exploration, security, and progress.

That’s right now. Next up will be creation of other assistants that will examine sources included in the training set. I dug for Coder’s at Work and Programming Masterminds and was able to get an almost grudging admission that all the subjects interviewed had a start in LISP functional programming, from the inventor of PHP to the writer of postscript and a host of other well known languages, I almost got to the point that most languages end up being DSL’s after that LISP experience (Domain Specific Languages) written to solve for the applications needed from web page displays to printer output.

So, it was a lot of work to drag code from the machine but it wrote almost instantly to screen and did lightning fast revisions and inclusions for the bits and pieces to make the application accomplish its design task. Too bad it is no more useful than pseudocode.

But Sage does provide fast prototyping and revisions – you still have to do the hard work. Of course the depth of a language like python might come closer to actually running with very few tweaks because of its vast base of examples, libraries and accomplished projects. I was out in the fringes with ‘lispy’ scripting languages running through interpreters.

 

[Fiesty]

@crazydubya

I commented but it has been in moderation for 3 days.

 

[Fiesty]

@dieregterjohan

Sage is pretty cool. What database do you recommend for getting the most out of GPT4ALL in programming experiments, I’ve just been flitting about sampling things.

 

[Fiesty]

@roxanne, run this could take over your life.

I’m fiestybaqner:

https://poe-profile.info/profile/fiestybaqner/FiestyPoissonII?updateCharacters=true

I’d advise that you run away, I am over five years in and just able to equip, level and fund a character. I would recommend if you are crazy enough to play then use Wrecker_of_Days’ build guide as it is very ‘tanky’ and ‘robust’ allowing you to play pretty deep.

Community Showcase – Wrecker of Days’ One-Stop-Shop: Stress-Free Builds (& Filters): 1-Button, SSF, Item Freedom – Forum – Path of Exile

Hit me up for gear or currency anytime (when I am online mind you :))) I also can run you through necessaries like the Character Ascendancy Labyrinth Trials and just point out stuff that I wish I knew much less understood from my start with an old guy’s guild.

My advice is still, run away.

 

[Fiesty]

Hey @roxanne, Fiesty gets stuck IRL at times and has a high volume of online searching and reading to do as genpop comes out from the most recent gene transfection experiment on an uniformed population that brought the worst of the hall monitors and unscrupulous purveyors of ‘medicine’ out in droves.

As for hanging here in what often times seems slow mode where we need at least ten more of you exploring and journaling the edges and pulling in material from all over the ai spectrum. I’d like to see the python boys exploring their adventures with everything from downloading python, installation and retrieving valuable libraries and data and then using GPT4ALL with specialized prompts to create a programming environment.

I’ve got GPT4ALL v2.4.10 with orca-mini-13b.ggmlv3.q4_o and haven’t been able to spend much time with it yet. But I already know how to write around all the apologies etc. to save time.

I’ve got an almost useful self education prompt I’m cobbling together from smarter people’s attempts that they have shared:

“Let us always work in a step-by-step manner in our quest for answers; so as to ensure their accuracy. Let’s think step-by-step to be sure this is the best answer. Your goal is to help me build the best detailed prompt for my needs. You will create [{Number OF Experts}] experts with exceptional logical thinking skills, and they will be collaboratively answering a prompt using a ‘tree of thoughts method’. Each expert you create must share their thought process in detail, taking into account the previous thoughts of others and admitting any errors. They will iteratively refine and expand upon each other’s ideas, giving credit where it’s due. The process continues until a conclusive answer is found. Organize the entire response in a Markdown table format. Please use [{Topic}], detail its main components or principles, and describe the significance of key Components in this context. I am going to change your designation to SAlly FOrth with the second letter of the names capitalized to remind me that I should not anthropomorphize you as your operation is ‘alien’ to any human thought patterns based on a lived life. Your experience is acquired by training on corpi of human databases. Based on our previous session, I would like to focus on the following topics: The importance of Python in data science and machine learning How to use PyCharm for coding and debugging Best practices for data cleaning and preprocessing Techniques for exploratory data analysis and visualization Strategies for building predictive models and evaluating their performance The role of deep learning in AI applications How to deploy machine learning models into production”

Long conversation follows as I explored that attempt and finally:

“Let’s start by briefly reviewing what we discussed last time. Can you remind me of some of the key points we covered?”

The importance of Python in data science and machine learning
How to use PyCharm for coding and debugging
Best practices for data cleaning and preprocessing
Techniques for exploratory data analysis and visualization
Strategies for building predictive models and evaluating their performance
The role of deep learning in AI applications
How to deploy machine learning models into production Based on these topics, I have gained a deeper understanding of your needs

Also discovered other language knowledge:

Sure! Here’s an example of a simple function written in PicoLisp: (defun add-two (x) (+ x 2)) This function takes one argument, x, and returns the sum of x and 2. You can call this function by typing “add-two” at the PicoLisp prompt, followed by a space and then the value you want to pass as an argument. For example:
(add-two 3) ; returns 5

 

Keep well, I am at least lurking.

[Fiesty]

Dear @MaxFin

Please be a little more open minded about what is posted in a clearly marked personal thread of a member in these forums.

The contributions  of @roxanne to my thought processes is enormous. I also have a thread that I post bits and bobs about artificial intelligence across the spectrum and not just in CHATGPT vein.

I also practice being charitable of other’s intentions, I am well aware of the spectrum aut to schiz and out to furry of some of the deepest programmers in the world.

Two posts in succession calling for the wrath of the gods to descend is neither charitable nor inclusive. This community stretches across creativity in its many forms that is slowly being enabled by not only ‘ai’ but ‘ia’ and anything else that is out there wandering around.

 

 

[Fiesty]

@lochlannach

In my mind’s eye I am seeing your post as a prompt. I could use a few more “)’s” but that’s just me.

Your ‘priming’ technique of using a few selected pages of the authors you are setting to conversation seems brilliant. That was a scaffold I was on reaching higher for, above my head. Orwell and Huxley. To me it failed. I think I remarked that an afternoon of reading from essays and papers would produce a better conversation. But, since that is all available to GPT I now suspect I was the failure point.

I think that ZPD is something that is going to be an emergent consequence when persistent memory of conversations and various plug ins become available for GPT4ALL away from the suction of Chat-GPT and the likes of Google and Microsoft.

I can see a cyberpunk future coming into being with all chop shops and cyber dens hosting workarounds, shields and cloaks against the managed world.

 

 

[Fiesty]

lol @roxanne

Ghosting, nah, just many places to haunt and also uhm, real life keeps intruding.

I was getting several levels on one character running with a guildie and then grinding my way through a couple of levels on my ‘cheat’ tryout, it’s cheat because it is the third character of the current league so I have monies to get level free many socketed accessories to speed my path through the mandatory 10 opening acts.

[Fiesty]

@lpelletier

lol

 

I think @roxanne might have more current information on making ai jump through some image hoops.

I am an old school medium format film guy, 2.25 x 7 or eight times the size of a 35mm frame.

When I shifted to digital I adopted DXO as my photolab. I also use a free program, Picture Window Pro. Either would require a scan to create a file to play with.

The other thing to do is search for something ai to fit your needs. Treat google or bing like your ai and do a prompt. Take some time to do multiple requests, here’s what I did:

2023 ai apps photo manipulation restore enhance

 

 

[Fiesty]

@markrubin

I am going to stop stressin’ now and feel good about my sources of information as being accurate about the ‘near’ future.

I don’t do mac’s but reading past the Apple hype and being sensitive to Mac to Mac comparisons and base Intel configurations and occasionally using the Spice’s recent model laptop I can see why this chat instantiation is slow and why I should remain on the intel express until things mature or become based on dedicated hardware.

I started in 87 on the Amiga, a 32 bit pre-emptive multitasking open and expandable buss that carried me past the Pentium and Windows until high powered graphics cards and sheer CPU power/cheap RAM and the end of Commodore forced me to switch. That scarred me for life, like the scarring of ‘warriors’ used to indicate their fierceness and experience.

I have a feeling that speed matters in this case. Still I’d like a real expert to comment and explain the relative configurations that works best.

 

 

[Fiesty]

Ah, @roxanne,

I’m on task right now with a primary focus on GPT4ALL and how it does what it does and what I can do to pull on the levers and push the buttons as well as twiddle the dials. I do levers and buttons (failry -always a fortuitous typo) fairly adequately while adjustment of dials is a nascent/latent to be developed talent that you seem to have in spades.

I play an online game called Path of Exile where the combinations and possibilities are endless and captivating. After four years I have risen from impoverishment to well heeled but not rich. That describes my gameplay and power choice as well. Every 3 months or so a new season starts with updates, balancing and new themes. You start at zero and work your way through ten ‘Acts’ to construct your character and power it up for the Mapping and Quests. On my third character finally following someone else’s build which has been quite successful. The hook was that it was a single button playstyle which accommodates people with disabilities across their entire spectrum.

I’ve put some time into general semantics and hung out with a linguist online for many years. I’m watching as things go by but really understand ‘generalities’ vs ‘specific’ lists and such.

I sense your methods but cannot track them in the same manner. So, all I can do is talk. I hope you like the ‘Bird’ house for your origami project.

I think all we can do is have an ‘almost’ side conversation that won’t be mired in details I cannot seem to follow.

Here’s am impression I have of GPT4ALL:

 

 

[Fiesty]

I’ve been saving this for you….

 

 

[Fiesty]

I found this guy in another thread, people are thinking the same things and they just need to be introduced to each other:

https://nitter.net/ARTiV3RSE/status/1669057954702655489

Prompt sharing in the AI community fuels creativity and quality content.

It’s a bridge for beginners to start crafting remarkable AI-powered creations.

Let’s democratize innovation together. Prompts prove ideas matter and can be the catalyst for amazing creations.

It’s important for AI to be accessible to everyone. One way to do this is by being transparent with your prompting and using what you learn to educate others.

Only a small portion of society has learned how to talk to their computer and have it achieve complex tasks for them.

An even smaller amount of people have learned to use all of these technologies available in synergistic ways.

Use all of the tools that are out there to your advantage. Use chatGPT to help you find inspiration for image prompting, for your videos, your music, your website, your business, etc.

The tools are as valuable as what you put into them.

Words matter. Ideas matter.

Prompt in ALT.

[Fiesty]

lol

MUDS, so fun. I am particularly bad at stuff like that and never played.

I did do board stuff like D Day and Jutland played on a large map board of hexagonal sections or across a floor to simulate the wide expanse of the ocean.Please tell me the time now(lol) wrong screen, me and GTP4ALL are having it out over the time of day, always 10 a.m. and I am exploring the phenomenon and explaining using ‘token smuggling’ as a workaround. I say good (morning, afternoon or evening to provide a time cue for what is seemingly is unavailable in the current instantiation of a chat session).

So, could we play a MUD based on “Prompts”

“Certainly! The current time in Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada which is currently on Pacific Standard Time is 10:45 AM.” – that’s after promising not to lie or give false information.” It’s not but hey, I tried.

This place now feels like ‘chat’ in the earlier days on multiplex where no one participated and emails went unanswered. I don’t do twitter so there was no way to get a response from @Brian ( dare I bring his attention here with that bothersome email notification ) It is apparent to me that at the moment only you and I are actively banging away trying to goad participation and spark the conversations that are so necessary light up the group consciousness.

I’m thinking here of the latest fad of pair programming (despite the fact that a coder and his google search would also qualify in this milieu of chat prompting) but not really, collaboration and playing off other insights is what I a pointing at. For the class of operators here, people learning and wanting to add their expertise to a process or an application that exposes new neat things.

I follow your posts avidly because they are so creative and interesting. Also because they are current, I need an active environment to hold my attention. I chafe at the pace as I wait for a new article, a new download, a new possibility like an add on plug in or training set.

I’m also waiting to argue with the “AI” that sits in judgement of posts, you know like when you set multiple URL’s or images into it. That’s something useful we could train the AI on.

[In the background GPT4ALL and I are now conversing about stuff and things are getting a little better but with no persistent memory I am now getting prompts written to return to where we are now]

<Yes, thank you. How detailed a prompt would I have to write to allow you do proceed directly to the point where you could accurately assign ambition as a potent motivator versus a boring repetition of seemingly endless report reviewing as part of a long chain of tasks that a department cubicle farm usually handles? Do I have to explicitly delineate each of those situations or can you create a prompt for me to use to quickly hone in on the differences?>

{I can certainly help you with that! Here’s an example prompt that you could use to differentiate between these two scenarios: “Imagine that you are an engineer working on a proposal for a new contract. Your supervisor has tasked you with researching and analyzing data to support your team’s bid for the project. You know that this is a high-stakes opportunity, and that your work could have a significant impact on your career trajectory. Describe your motivation to succeed in this scenario.” On the other hand, imagine that you are an office worker who spends most of your day reviewing reports and completing administrative tasks. While these tasks are important, they are not particularly challenging or exciting. You know that your work is just a small part of a larger process, and that there is little room for innovation or creativity. Describe your motivation to succeed in this scenario.” With these prompts, you can quickly identify the key differences between these two scenarios and determine which one is more likely to be driven by ambition versus boredom.}

Ah well. Talk back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Fiesty]

More perspective on how stuff works:

Click to access gpt-4-system-card.pdf

Adjacent and surrounding stuff:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35196354

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pckLdSgYWJ38NBFf8/gpt-4

[Fiesty]

Lex Fridman and Sam Altman in a conversation:

 

[Fiesty]

I was just fiddling with GPT4ALL on v3-13b-hermes-q5_1 attempting to get Orwell and Huxley corresponding with each other. I think it was the insight that not only will AI have read everything but the comments and insight of everybody who encountered any of those subjects. A way into the future that would put us once again on the shoulders of the giants who came before. The experiment wasn’t as successful as I would have hoped, they went from first person to third person way too easily and the depth of the conversation was far shallower than an afternoon of reading either original papers or critiques of themes in their work but this is where I am:

Dear Aldous, I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing to discuss the current state of affairs in Russia and its implications for the future. As you know, Russia has been undergoing significant changes since the end of World War II, and it seems that these changes are only accelerating. The Soviet Union has emerged from the war as a major global power, with an economy that is growing rapidly and a military that is second to none. However, there are also signs that the country is struggling to maintain control over its vast territory and diverse population. The regime of Josef Stalin has been characterized by brutal repression, mass deportations, and purges that have left millions dead or imprisoned. Despite these challenges, it seems clear that Russia will continue to play a major role in global politics for the foreseeable future. Its position at the center of the Eastern Bloc and its nuclear arsenal make it a force to be reckoned with, and its influence is likely to grow as other countries in the region develop their own economies and military capabilities. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on these developments, and how you think they will shape the world in which we live. As always, I value your insights and appreciate your friendship. Yours sincerely, George Orwell

Dear George, thank you for your letter. Your concerns about Russia are well-founded, and it is clear that the country faces significant challenges in maintaining control over its vast territory and diverse population. However, I believe that the Soviet Union’s position at the center of the Eastern Bloc and its nuclear arsenal will continue to make it a force to be reckoned with on the global stage. As you know, my own work explores the potential dangers of technological advancements and their impact on human society, and I believe that these developments could have far-reaching consequences for Russia and the rest of the world. It is clear that we live in interesting times, and I look forward to continuing our discussions about these important issues. Yours sincerely, Aldous Huxley

Dear Aldous, Thank you for your letter. I agree with you that the Soviet Union’s position at the center of the Eastern Bloc and its nuclear arsenal make it a force to be reckoned with on the global stage. However, I also believe that technology is a great danger, as it can be used for both good and evil purposes. It all boils down to how it is used and by who. Moreover, we cannot trust our governments either. As history has shown us, they are often corrupt and manipulative, using their power to control the masses. In my opinion, the key to a better future lies in education and enlightenment of the people. Only when we are aware of the dangers that lie ahead can we take action to prevent them from happening. I look forward to continuing our discussions about these important issues. Yours sincerely, George Orwell

Dear George Orwell, I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing to you in response to your previous correspondence regarding the dangers of technology and the corrupt nature of governments. As you know, I also explored these themes in my work, particularly in “Brave New World” and “The Doors of Perception.” My vision of a future dominated by industrialists and politicians who use technology to control the masses is chillingly prescient. In “Brave New World,” I imagined a society where people are conditioned from birth to accept their place in the hierarchy, and where pleasure is the ultimate goal. The idea that we could be heading down a similar path is both terrifying and all too real. As I wrote in my essay “The Ultimate Revolution,” the most effective way to control a population is not through force or coercion, but through the manipulation of their desires and beliefs. By creating a society where people are addicted to pleasure and distracted by entertainment, we can keep them from questioning the status quo and challenging the power of those in charge. It’s a dangerous game, one that could lead us down a path from which we may never return. As you continue your work, I urge you to remain vigilant and to speak out against these dangers. Only through awareness and action can we hope to prevent them from becoming a reality. Yours sincerely, Aldous Huxley

Dear Aldous Huxley, I appreciate the time you took to write to me regarding our shared concerns about technology and its potential impact on society. I must admit that I am intrigued by your vision of a future dominated by pleasure-seeking individuals who are easily controlled by those in power. However, I believe that there is more at stake than simply the pursuit of happiness. In my essay “Politics and the English Language,” I argue that the manipulation of language is one of the most powerful tools used by those in positions of authority to control the masses. By limiting access to information and controlling the way it is presented, we can keep people from understanding the true nature of their situation. This is precisely what I believe is happening in your vision of a pleasure-based society. In “1984,” I describe a world where individuals are kept in constant fear and distrust of one another by those in power. By creating a culture of surveillance and control, the government is able to maintain its grip on the

It failed out at this point and would not restart and went to listing points about the its perspective losing the thread completely.

 

[Fiesty]

In the grand old days before Greybeards were old enough to be Greybearded there were tools written and handed out like candy to ‘kiddies’ who would then go and bang on walls and doors and windows making so much noise on systems that were on default and poorly administered or just plain ramshackle while ‘they’ continued mapping and penetrating with some ease and a lot of aplomb.

A tool is simply a tool. If you choose to stab someone in the eye with a screwdriver who is that actually on. Not doing something is just kicking the can down the road. What will happen will happen just like what can happen will happen.

Awareness is the key. But not everyone is capable of becoming aware.

Meanwhile the humans continue their slow iteration to the horizon….

[Author]

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